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accident and to encourage companies to check their supply chains and to check whether it they are poshard coming from. i wish you well with the work she's doing with bangladesh. >> thank you, mr. speaker. does the prime minister think that amt crisis anything to do with the fact that he is cut over 5000 nurses since the german election? and figures -- [inaudible] >> the point is that since the election were protected health spending and we putting an extra 12.7 billion pounds nto our nhs, the number of clinical staff including doctors in our hospitals has gone up, whereas the number of managers has gone down. under labour things were heading in an entirely different direction. >> successive governments have condemned ethnic cleansing. will be prime minister today
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condemn israel for ethnic cleansing of 40,000? >> this government has a very clear policy on the issue of israel and on issue of settlements. we respect and welcome is right to exist and we defend that. but on settlements we think that the israeli approach is wrong and we condemn the settlement activity and we've been consistent in saying that, both privately and publicly. >> does the prime minister david, mr. speaker, that if it were not for this house of commons, -- britain and the united states would already be in the midst of what has turned out would have been a wholly unnecessary war? sn't this an indication of parliament and a vindication of mr. churchill's work that --
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[inaudible] spend what it is a vindication of is determination to stand up to chemical weapons used. we would not be in this situation of pursuing new avenues of getting syrian chemical weapons out of syria and destroyed unless a strong start had been taken. that is the right answer, not crawling up to dictators and telling them how wonderful they >> question time heirs live on 2 and at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span. for the next two weeks the house of commons will be in recess. you can find video of past questions and other prime minister programs in our video www.c-span.org.
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this is 50 minutes. >> good morning. the session is resumed. first on our agenda is a debate on the state of the union. i would like to welcome the foreign defense minister. me toa great leisure for
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open this debate and to welcome you to this session. very important moment in the life of the european union. a summit has taken place here in strasburg. come together to have this kind of discussion. together year we come to have this kind of discussion. we talk in a transparent fashion. the public domain as opposed to be other entity that goes to brussels for it summit meeting. sometimes they state they are the european executive, and
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often they meet behind closed doors, whereas we meet in public. i think it's a good thing to have our doors wide open, to all a transparent debate citizens can listen to and observe. people want to know who is taking part in these discussions. think there is one premise we must remember, and it is a question of confidence. .eople have lost confidence that is why we must talk about transparency. transparency creates trust. trust in terms of the way in which the a-day -- in which the body of democracy operates.
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ladies and gentlemen, we have one common principle we all follow. we talk about the way in which he eu should work. that is the how way we try to resolve conflict. the kidney -- the community believes everybody works for the common interest as opposed to the individual interest. we have incidents of individual interest, but that is the opposite.
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it is very risky. would like to put in an appeal when it comes to implementation of large-scale common objects. we have a long list of tasks that cannot go ahead, because sou have individual interest stopping us from going forward. we decided democratically with a clear majority. in the mentation has become very complex -- implementation has become very complex. had five summits. this was the first one that was calm. apocalypticave any
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.isions of the end of time that in itself is good news. it has been serene. we have millions of people still consequencesm the of the crisis. we have tremendously high unemployment. we have great poverty. we also have a credit problem. people's problems very seriously indeed. if there are problems, we need to show courage and bravery. tomorrow morning i will have an opportunity to speak about us in -- andopean central bank the european central bank. future, of the
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supervision, parliamentary , we are talking about transparency. it was transparency i was referring to earlier on. they want to know what the banking supervision body is doing, what their role is. this.d to implement the worst thing we have is youth unemployment. young people in europe, if they do not have any hope, how can they believe in trust for the european union? the problems of with the multinational framework, and i expect them to make sure we use these to create growth in europe. the financial perspectives are targeted in the program. thank you for your attention.
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[applause] >> mr. president, ladies and and eight months time they will judge what we have achieved together. europe has been more present in the lives of citizens than ever before. europe has been described in popular talk shows all over our continent. what wewant to look at have done together and what we have yet to do.
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as we speak, they bailed out aig . they have led to a large increase in unemployment. our are still holding back households and companies. years we have suffered together. if we look back and think about what we have done together through the crisis, i think it is fair to say we would never have done this five years ago.
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improved away , hownments work together they modernize their economies. we have pulled countries back biggest brink, the effort ever in stabilization between countries. i still remember my meeting last year with cheap economists of many of the leading banks. most of them were expecting greece to leave the eurozone. all of them were expecting disintegration of the euro area. obody has left. this year it went from 27 to 28 member states. , what do we now
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make of this progress? do we talk it up or talk it down? do we draw confidence to pursue what we started, or do we ?elittle our efforts i just came back from the g 20 in st. petersburg. i can tell you this year we anypeans did not receive efforts on how to deal with the crisis. the crisis is over, because it is not over. the resilience of our union has been tested, and what we are doing creates confidence, yet we are overcoming the crisis provided we are not come layson.
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-- complacent. we have to tackle it together. together as the european union we can give our citizens what they aspire, that our values are protected and promoted. now is the time to act on security issues and to have real progress, to bring a true europeans perspective to the debate. political or economical position, it is time to speak up for europe. if we do not do it, we cannot expect others to do it either. we have come along way since the start start of the crisis. in last year's state of the i suspected in
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spite of our efforts, our responses have not yet convinced citizens, markets, or economic partners. usn you're on the facts tell -- one year on the facts tell us they have started to condense. the most vulnerable countries are paying less to borrowers. industrial output is decreasing. stock markets are performing well. consumer confidence is sharply rising. those that are doing the most to reform the economies are starting to note positive results. in spain as a signal of reform and increased competitiveness, exported goods and services make up 33% of gdp.
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ireland has been able to draw from capital market. the economy is expected to grow for a third consecutive year, and companies are rehiring. in portugal it is expected to be broadly balance, and growth is picking up after many corners. in three years greece is and isng competitiveness nearing a primary surplus. they are cementing the program, a precondition to a return to growth. my point is in europe recovery is leading. ,et's not overestimate result
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but let's not underestimate what has been done. even one find quarter does not mean we are not out of the economic fire, but it does mean we are on the right track. we have good reason to be the recovery is not .et in reach especially the young unemployed, they want to feel reason to feel .ope about europe hope and confidence is part of the economic situation.
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members, if we are where we are today, it is because we have adopted our policies to the crisis. when i say we, i really mean we. it has been a joint effort. you deserve more credit and .ecognition to adapt. together we do so can we leave the crisis behind us as well. what we can and must do, let's
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be concrete -- is delivering the banking union. way to map out the blueprint presented last autumn. step is the ecb independent evaluation of bank s.fort we must turn to the single mechanism. the proposal is on the table since you live. since july. to ensure way taxpayers are no longer on the front line. progress,ay to make the way to remedy one of the most alarming and unacceptable
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results of the crisis, even an implicit renationalization. is the way to restore the because credit is not yet sufficiently flowing across the euro area. this needs to be addressed resolutely. growth,ly, it's about which is necessary to address unemployment. of current level unemployment is unsustainable, untenable, and socially unacceptable. all of us want to work with you
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as muchely to deliver of our sustainable growth agenda as we possibly can. we are recognizing all the issues. not all instruments are at european level. some are at national level. on youth focus employment and financing the .conomy we need to avoid a jobless recovery. is recommendations set out. the focus should be on what matters worse for the real economy.
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exploiting the market comes first. .e need to extend complete. i would like to adopt a proposal . citizens know europe has dramatically written down costs. our proposal will lower prices for consumers and present new opportunities for companies. we know trade will be more digital.
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can we grant opportunities open by the economy if we do not conclude this? the same logic applies to the broader agenda. the strength of europe's future industrial base depends on how people are interconnected and properly combining with defense of argosy, our european model strengthens citizens with development. data protection is of most importance. all of the proposals, and we lay
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the foundations. we must encourage they must invest in innovation, technology, and science. i have faith in the ability to solve problems. changing, and i believe many solutions are going to come from new technology, and i would like europe to be leading that effort globally. this is why we have made such a priority of the discussion on the european budget. this is why we use the budget to invest in skills and vocational
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training. autumn wey later this will make proposals for an industrial policy that for the 21st century. strong industrial base businesses syria for a strong european economy. [applause] change,ghting climate we have set the economy on the path for green growth. by the end of this year we will come out with concrete proposals and we energy framework, will continue to flesh out a comprehensive embassy agreement
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by 2015 with our partners. frankly, we need to get them on board. europe cannot do all the fighting against climate change. to lead globally in that effort. at the same time, we will pursue prices. on energy all of these drivers for growth are part of our europe agenda. 2020.beyond europe this means that we must pursue our surplus trade agenda. it is about linking us closer to market and guaranteeing our place in the global markets. contrary to perception, most of us think that we are losing in
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global trade, in fact, we have been increasing our surplus to the rest of the world. we have a significant increased trade surplus of 300 billion a and services and agriculture. we need to build on that. this will demand our full to come. in the months notably, in the transatlantic partnership and relationship with canada and japan. last but not least, we need to our financial framework of the european budget. -- tos the most complete increase investment in our region. the european investment is the only one we have to get public investment. cannot use resources at a national level. the commission wants more resources. fight winning that together. even so, let's be honest, one eu
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budget represents more money, at today's prices, and the whole marshall plan. let us all make sure that the programs start on the first of january. we use the possibility innovative financing from instruments that have already started to european bank investment might to project. good of thehe commitment we made in july from the commission site. we will deliver. we will present the second budget for 2014 this month. there's no time to waste. i warn against holding it up. in particular, i urge member states not to delay. i cannot emphasize this enough. convincedill not be with rhetoric and promises.
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there has to be a set of common achievements and we had to show the many areas where europe has solved. europe is part of the solution. we have to do this more extensively. details receive this in , regarding our program for next year and my point is that there is a lot to achieve before the elections. it is not the time to throw down a towel. it is the time to point our sleeves up and worked a lot. of course, none of this is easy. recognizes that we have been living in challenging times. a real stress test for the european union. challenges ofhe
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reform are as demanding as they are unavoidable. let's make no mistake, there is no way back to business as usual. some people leave that after this, it will go back to as it was before. they are wrong. this crisis is different and not cyclical. it is structural. we cannot go back to the old normal and we have to shape a new normal. .e are in a time of history we have to understand that. winky understand the consequences for this, including in our state of mind and how we react to the problems. is possible and necessary. anthis point in time, with eye on recovery, the biggest downside risk that i see is political. this is the political downside risk we have. stability and lack of
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determination. over the last years, we have seen that anything i cast doubt on government is instantly punished. on the positive side, strong and convincing decisions have an impact. the government's job is to provide certainty and rick ability that markets like. predictability that markets like. i'm sure you know the name of the council building in brussels. the 16th century. -- e is a book called a wrote that constancy is movable strength of the mind that is neither but did up or pressed down and external or casual accident. only a strength of the mind is
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sound judgment to help you through confusing and alarming times. i hope that in these times, all of us, including the elected officials, show the perseverance when it comes to the and limitations. one of the things we have to do is be coherent and influence them on the ground. other members, it is only natural that our efforts have overshadowed everything else. idea of europe needs to go beyond economy because we are more than a market. touches the ideal foundations of the european society and is about the valleys
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-- values. is based on a firm belief and political and social standards that are grounded in our social market economy. world is important to promote citizens rights. and consumer protection to labor rights, from women's rights to respecting minorities, to data protection and privacy, defending our interest in the international trade, securing our energy position and restoring people's sense of fairness by fighting tax fraud and tax evasion. only as the union, do we pull our weight. borders and common promoting europe -- europe as
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strong. security and defense all see. by integrating more, we can reach our goals. areinternal coherence inextricably linked. our political traction are politically binding. does anyone seriously believe that if the euro had collapsed, states woulder have have any credibility left internationally? this shield industries deep scars. centuries ago, no one thought it was possible. this healed histories deep scars. centuries ago, no one thought it was possible.
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today, countries like the ukraine are seeking closer ties to the european union because of our economic and social models. we cannot turn our backs on them and cannot accept any attempt to limit this country's sovereign choices. free consent has to be respected and these are principles that are part of the bases of our eastern partnership that we want to take advantage of. everyone remember warts during the last century? next year, it will be one century after the first world war. the war the term or your a part tore europehat
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apart. it is because of this that people were together. even serbia and kos invoking kosovo an agreement -- can come to an agreement. thisould be more aware of ourselves. sometimes i think we should not be ashamed to be proud. we don't want to be arrogant. we should be proud of europe and what we have achieved. we should look towards the future with a wisdom gained from the past. let me say this to all of those. those who want to roll back our integration and want to go back integratedon, the pre-
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europe of trenches is not what people desire. people have not noticed a long time of peace since the creation of the european community. is with these items that we address the values of syria. this has tested the world's conscience severely. it has led to an international aid response. 5 billion euros. a comes directly from the european union budget. the commission will do its utmost to help the syrian people and refugees in neighboring countries. witnessedcently events that we thought had been eradicated. ae use of chemical weapons is courageous act that requires a
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strong condemnation and a response. we carry collective responsibility to sanction these acts and put an end to this conflict. the proposal to put serious chemical weapons out of use is, potentially, a positive development. the searing regime should pursue this without any delay. in europe, we believe that only a political solution stands a chance of delivering the lasting peace that the syrian people deserve. claim that ase who weaker euro would make their country stronger. that europe is a burden. they would be better out without it. we need a europe that is united, strong, and open. is,bottom line question europe or give it up?
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let's engage. and you do not like europe as it is, let's improve it. you will have the firmest of supporters. find a way to increase diversity without discrimination, and i will be with you all the way. the european union is not perfect. controversies about division of labor to train the national and european rivals will never be conclusively ended and i value subsidiarity. it is a fundamental than the cry principle -- democratic beautiful. -- principal. le. not everything needs a solution at the european level.
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europe must focus on where it has its values. this should not matter. be european union needs to big on big things and smaller on smaller things. some things we may have neglected in the past. the european union needs to show an ability to set positive and negative priorities and we need to take extra care of the quality and quantity of our regulation. knowing that, as montesquieu [speaking french] there are areas where europe must have integration and can only deliver results. a political union needs to be our political horizon. is not the demand of a
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passionate european. this is the way to ensure the future. policies, namely our economic and monetary unions, depend on the construct that supports it. commissionped out a blueprint for a monetary union and the necessities and possibilities of deepening our institutional set up. step, one phase after the other. as announced last year, the intention to present further ideas on the future of our union and how do best consolidate and deep the community approach in the long term. that way, these ideas can be that isto a debate
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necessary for a true political union. we can only meet the challenges of our time if we strengthen the consensus of our political objectives. in this area and those outside of it. between north and south and east and west. the european union must remain a project for all members. economically, europe has been a way to close gaps between countries, regions, and people and, must remain so. remains andbility we must complement it with european solidarity. for that reason, strengthening the social guy mentioned is the socialy to come with our ours.
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-- partners. october,cond of solidarity is a key element of what being part of europe is all about. the values, such as rule of law, is with the european union was made to do. and last year's state of the union speech, in our own member states, i asked for a bridge between political persuasion and hand andthings on one the nuclear option and the suspension of a member states rights. the usefulness of the commission le as an independent and objective referee. the should be based on
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principle of equality between member states and activate in situations where there is a serious systemic breach of rule of law. the commission will come forward with a communication on this and i believe that it is key to our idea of europe. this is not mean that national sovereignty or democracy are constrained. influences the equation when basic principles are at stake. there are nonnegotiable values that europe must and should always defense. the polarization that resulted is part of the european project. we can turn the tide. you direct democratic
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representatives of europe. you will be at the forefront of the political debate. the question i want to post you with the following, which picture of europe will voters be presented with a question mark the cartoon version -- presented with? the myth or the cartoon version? it is an important choice to make. some people say that europe is to blame for the crisis. thean remind people that european union was not the origin of the crisis. mismanagement of public finances by the governments and the financial markets. we can explain how europe has the crisis and we
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would have lost if we had not redacted the single market because it was at threat. and, upholding the common currency. efforts, not done the how would we be now? that it is will say europe that is forcing governments to cut spending. debtn remind voters that was out of hand before the crisis. not because, but despite, europe. up payingen will end the price and we do not do this now. countries insight europe or outside of europe, they are making efforts to curb their very burden public finances. give toole say that we much money to countries. other say we give too little money to vulnerable countries.
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everyone of us can say what we did and why. between one countries bank and at other countries investment. one countries workers in another countries companies. interdependence means that all european solutions can work. when you are in the same boat, one cannot say, your and of the boat is sinking. some people might say that europe has grabbed too much. others will claim that europe does too little too late. they will say that europe is not doing enough and your meets do what it has to do. we can explain that member states have implicit tasks and
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competencies. the european union is a result of democratic decisions of institutions and member states. at the same time, we must acknowledge that, in some areas, europe lacks the power to do what is asked of it. that'sre many out there our always ready to nationalize success. what we have and do not have is a result of democratic incision making and we should remind people of that. gentlemen, the european parliament will take up this challenge with the idealism it old with realism that the time demands. facts are there any agenda has been set out. in eight months time, the voters will decide.
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now, let's make the case for europe. we can do so by using the next improve.ths to we have to adopt and implement the european budget. this is critical for investment in our region. this is indispensable for the first priority that we have to fight against unemployment and youth unemployment. is advancingity and incrementing a bank union. this is critical to addressing the problem of financing for businesses. these are our clear priorities. our job is not finished. it is -- other members, the elections will not be about the european parliament or the european commission. willwill be about europe be judged together stop let us
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work together for europe with passion and with determination. let's not forget that, 100 years ago, europe was sleepwalking into a catastrophe of the war of 1914. hopeyear, in 2014, i europe will be walking out of a crisis united, stronger, and open. i thank you. [applause] >> tomorrow, the american constitutional policy society looks at the supreme court's next term. lawmakers will discuss some of the cases and those involving
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affirmative action. 12:can watch the event at 30 p.m.. -- p.m. -- 12:30 em p.m. >> a conversation on the clinical future of egypt and a conversation with president joe biden. after that, q and a. ewterbase of -- andr bacevich. student competition is available to all students also prize money.g create a documentary on the issue you think congress should consider. you should show varying points of view.
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need more information? visit our website. >> the middle east institute hosted a day-long operates on the political future of egypt. representatives from human rights groups talk about what can be done to increase needs -- services for those in egypt. this is one hour and 20 minutes. >> good afternoon. if everyone could take their seats. i'm the vice president of the middle east institute. welcome to the second session of our conference. securing egypt's future. are those you might have missed our tables, we are selling the
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middle east journal. one of the only peer-reviewed middle east journals out there. a lot of interesting issues involving egypt. please stop by their touring the break after this panel. afterase stop by there the break following this panel. the second panel examines the challenges of overcoming the extreme polarization and division in egypt and was entitled am a working towards national reconciliation. this panel will look at the factors that triggered the first revolution in 2011 and led to the second in 2013. we will examine how these acing demands areasic going to be met or can be met in this next phase of egypt's lyrical development. -- elliptical development --
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political development. them veryto introduce briefly. longer bios are in your program books. check those out. left, is the chairperson of the egyptian initiative for personal rights. an important and independent egypt rights organization. the deputy director of regional council at the atlantic she has a long history of journalism in egypt. an entrepreneur and community organizer of a foundation that organizes and promotes social and economic development. of, an associate professor government at american
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university. she is currently leading a project about urban governance and social justice. i hope you can all check that out online. leading this discussion is the amazing robin wright. .he is with the wilson center before entering the think tank world, she was a journalist and a reporter for 140 countries for the washington post and the new yorker. she's known for her excellent books on the middle east. including her recent, rock the casbah. i cannot think of anybody who is more ideal to moderate this panel. i thank you all. it is an honor and a privilege to have you all. >> i'm delighted to participate with this panel in what i think is the most important subject facing egypt today. we faced that we spent the money
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talking about the politics and the muslim brotherhood. the real issue and exciting dynamic and important development in the past 30 emergence of this extraordinary group of activists and people were taking their face in their own hands and doing something about it. we cannot forget that all of this started into tunisia and egypt because of economic issues, not politics. a young street vendor in tunisia. a young blogger/businessman who exposed corruption issues. i wanted to do a couple of things on this panel. each one of them give us a status report on the critical issues that came from that original freedom and social justice movement. and, how the situation differs
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from 30 years ago, on the e.u. of the uprising. i will begin with that and we will get into a debate. hopefully, before we open this up to questions, deal with the tangible and realistic all see recommendations that we can make for the region and for those of us in the outside world. let me start with host thom -- hosam, if you could take us through the issues that have triggered the passions of the egyptians and motivated them to act, what are the things that have changed? how much better off or worse off are egypt and today and what does that mean for what happens next? [laughter] isthe short answer to this
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that institutions and policies, in most respects, people in charge of implementing the policies and institutions, have not changed. from a human rights perspective, they are the same people. the people have changed. i agree. was the slogan that you mentioned. freedom and social justice. there was a more popular slogan during the 18 days. the people want the fall of the regime. that has not happened. the regime stayed intact. of course, in analyzing this, i want to abandon the themes that were covered in the first two panels. politics had everything to do with it. mubarak, the overthrow it was a coalition of
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convenience between the military and the islamists. to spend our time talking about islamists, the military wanted the space to preserve the regime. the islamists contains the square and led the political regime. they marginalize the opposition. the people disrupted that coalition of convenience and eight gave the chance to the military council and to forces of the state to rebuild and statemble to preserve the we fought one mubarak was overthrown. we all thought there was going to be a lot of hard work ahead stop we felt that we can take on the world.
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we cannot be defeated. after 30rew a dictator years in power with 18 days of revolt. what can defeat us? of course, then, we spent a few months thinking about the evolution. the regime has fallen. what are we going to do question mark are going to have a emorial here? how are we going to organize? to the lecture question, 30 months later, after this arrangement fell and the new arrangement is in place, in terms of accountability for the crimes of the past, we have seen nothing. the economic policies are the same. .he abuse of security forces
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the backbone of all these regimes. mubarak's staff and morsi. interest in reforming or holding accountable these security forces. keep theill trying to small democratic sphere that we have that is controlled by the ngos and the labor unions. we are still fighting to keep the the rights that we last fewed during the years of mubarak and the 18 days. none of the laws that emulate these rights have changed. if you look at the legal framework. the constitutional policy and the people that are still in power, that has not changed. the people are not going to be silenced. i think it is the people that move against mubarak and turned
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from support of the military to demanding an end to military rule and demanding elections among civilian candidates and the people who filled the square on the first day of morsi in office and filled the square in unprecedented numbers to demand more see's return. return -- morsi's return. a lack of tolerance to any questions. that is not going to last. we learned that you can enjoy your honeymoon right now. at some point, he will are going to be asking you about serious questions and you're going to have to answer about your conduct in government. youet me turn to you and can take whatever slice of this issue -- economic, gender,
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justice. >> people toss numbers about. --y can be indicative but often, it is often not seeing the wood for the trees. 34 lean in their went downnd then it to 13 billion. the thing is, even though they had those reserves and the country was growing at about 5.6% in growth, there is a great deal poverty. if the country had been doing better, economically, we might not have had the january revolutions. morsi's government have been able to get a handle on economic problems, there might have been
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fewer people out on the street. as it stands, the poverty level has risen it is over 25%. areas, it is almost 70%. that is in rural areas. that is a lot of poor people. tourism is down. canal flows.e suez people are sending money home but, the unemployment level has shot up. and what that means is that you have more discontented people who ask questions and less willing -- you have more discontented people demanding their rights and you have discontented people who had enough and will put up with
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things that they might not have put up with. that not a coolant since it is not a coincidence that the --a phobia and hostility -- it is nod enough coincidence that the xena phobia phobia and hostility that people have been experiencing, people had enough. stable policy is not one that is changed. you know that you need to put food on the table for families and you need to have those factories up and running again. you cannot do that without political stability. we have not had political stability in some time.
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we have not had interim government. matter how hard they try, they do not have a mandate. it is a tricky time. think,cally speaking, i things will get worse before they get better. dor every day that they spen tired and hungry, i think they're going to get angry. -- what evereymoon honeymoon we have, that will not last. work, for those of you who do not know the story. he has done work in the slums of cairo and tried to develop social alternatives in a very imaginative ways. perhaps you can share some of your experiences and tell us what has changed in the last 30 months.
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what are the problems? what do you think is most important to them? --i apologize is that we are a group of revolutionaries who decided to stay away from politics. injured during the revolution and we moved to work with the people that we fought for in the first place. we took a straight and we want to make education, health, environment and create jobs. struck by the reality on the ground and how bad it is. i did get an
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apartment there and i spent two or three days. >> that is every week. >> every week. a completely different perspective as to what is happening. presentingalk about the egyptian people. actually, the reality on the ground is different. want, peoplepeople on the ground want completely different things. what is different, this time, coming to the states and sitting with the pain was is that most panelists do know what the problems are. i listen to the panelists and the answers are perfect. , solving thenomy politics, i think the issue that
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since mubarak is, how? how are you going to make a armal egyptian citizen feel change in their daily life. this is the heart of the issue. every political priority that you see and everyone on the ground does not have an answer as to how, with a very complete answer, how we're going to change the daily life of egyptian citizens. i have been through the muslim -- nobody knows how to do it. they have some ideas. -- alk about i was critical about what happenedefore -- what before the revolution.
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they have can creep points on -- e points on-- concret charity work with normal egyptian's and that was our idea. the egyptian revolution did something good. the revolutionaries are not that bad. they changed my life. we face two kinds of force. one is a vicious type of war. is not so vicious, but is there. the first one, we faced as an ngo. it is a war of interest. there are financial interests to people who want the system to be that way.
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for example, the garbage. my apartment overlooks a mountain of garbage that is 30 meters. i do not know how many feet that is. 100 feet? 30 meters. that is a lot. the government -- the garbage inpany -- they do not throw the main dump, they throw it in our area and in front of the house. when you try to sell it and talk to the company, we discover that the local council has taken iney from each car that goes and dumps the garbage. nevada what we try to do, -- no ,atter what we tried to do they would not push back against
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the company. example, i find police report filed against me and i courtcorn order. -- a order. ridiculous accusations. >> such as? >> for example, somebody said i insulted and beat someone up. and the police asked me to come. i said, who is this person? i've never seen this person and i know nothing about it. the person against it was the teachers. teachers in the area. poundschers charge 100 for students to do private lessons. we do the lessons for 10 pounds for the students. -- the ones who
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were really hit were the teachers in the area. of course i was a revolutionary. e in.ld not giv i realized that if you want to get things done, you have to do some concessions. what we did -- i would not give -- what we ended up doing was telling the students and teachers was that we would pay you 500 pounds. bots, use it with the students -- two months af class but, you will sit with the students for two months after
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class and will only give you the money if they can write. if people are surprised, this is normal. children can read and write. them 500e would give egyptian pounds and we would test them before and after. once they passed the exam, we would give them the money. things very good with the government and there is american center that we want to open. the american center would have served half a million people every year. it only cost $1 million to open. not having this medical center resulted in 20,000 people dying every year. we said, you know what, why don't we do it? that is in the beginning. we have the money.
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where is the problem? general electric said they would pay for. no problem. andas been two years now the american center has not been opened. -- government will take we will take the rest. we'll have it open. tell you some a stories and discuss some the details. that is what i want to get into, eventually. if iming government, what do i do to make the people live a better -- >> say that. that.e >> the second war is branding. .verybody wants to
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the medical center. what was one of the big things that the muslim brotherhood did that was disastrous. i publicly said that. that i am being asked, someone was stood against the regime and you are telling concessionslinical , no,litical concessions you are going the wrong way. everyone wants to make sure what their opinion is and what is going on. bear the risk of being
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branded politically. i am a political. i should not get into politic s. we need to know where we stand. fair, at happens, to be lot of the ngos have created a burden. ngos do amazing and have been campaigning and affecting the government. they are helping and filling a gap that a normal egyptian who cannot eat or get their education.
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they are for filling this gap in closing this gap. this is an issue that needs to be solved. the government needs to be aware of it. points ngos aside. >> we will get into that in a minute. hewas such an activist that lost sight in one eye from a bird shot. he said he's doing fine and is lucky. a lot of people lost both eyes. let you be thell hitter, isr -- pinch- the average egyptian better off or worse off? >> one of the things to think about, in terms of where normal egypt is our, in some sense, if andhappen to be born in
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informal area, you are born into the position of being illegal because you are born into a certain residential area. for the last 30 years and since the revolution, citizens are not equal in egypt. how are public resources, like education, like elsewhere, is there a fair distribution? no. the egyptian government relies on ngos to perform a sick social services that are supposed to be services.basic social is in formal --sing -- in formal housing
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informal housing. you are a child in that area, there is one elementary school. no library. on the oxidant side of things, one thing we have to remember and everybody knows better than activism around social justice. this is not about a new constitution or elections. this is not about religion. this is about social justice, dignity, and the fall of the regime. the regime has not fallen. one of the things that is in accordance is that activists -- that is important is that activists and my fellow political scientists, they would
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say that more authoritarianism is going to last. young people have come out and have been joined by a cross- section of people. what needs to happen is that the demand has to be placed not on the muslim brotherhood, but on the state. all the proms that you talk problems all of the that you talk about, egyptians are aware of. activism has to be targeted and make amends for new schools and clean water. in the egyptian constitution 2012, article 68 says that every egyptian has the right to shelter, healthy food, and housing. no, shelter, healthy food, and water. that is article 68.
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constitutions are a beautiful thing. the 1970 constitution was not so hot. constitutiontian protect and fulfill those rights? i would sit there is tremendous mobilization going on. are still working and are doing good work. the activism has to demand representation. it is interesting, the new peopleution in 2012, the are afraid of local democracy. 75% of the population of the world has mayors. egypt is one of the few countries that has appointed mayors and appointed governors. inre is not local government
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egypt. there is a local administration. europe millions of people who live with no representation stop peoplehave millions of who left with no representation. why don't we have representation? the local people's councils were disbanded. your local government and the executive councils that run things with no representation. committees are still active and are not representative. they do not have a legal way to sustain themselves financially. i think that one of the things elections,ially in when you have national elections , as we say in the united states, all politics is local. decades, politics as the criminalized at the local level and monopolized by
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government. thiso you allow all incredible activism and energy and institutionalize it so that people do not have to go to the square to solve their problems. so that the garbage can be taken care of. it is a normal thing that people should have ways to represent their interests and negotiate their interests in a collective fashion. >> i have a question that i'm curious about and i do not know anyone can answer it, what percentage of the general public services, education, health care, are provided by the islamists?and does anyone have an idea question mark -- idea question mark -- idea? is her mike gone --
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on? >> it's not the mike, it is me. >> there really isn't a way of being able to say this percentage is provided. there isn't a way to pull that down. you can't say that the government is slipping up and the ngos are stepping up their it it has been that way for as long as we can remember. think education has been completely privatized, right? i think it is also really policy of this is a the egyptian government, right? the policies of the egyptian government have been to cut back on services for the last 30 years and cut back on education
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and public services and to privatize healthcare. just a surprise that there are very poor object services in egypt now. i don't have those numbers and they are hard to come by. >> i want to get to this issue that has been alluded to and that has been concessions, or corruption. getting anything done involves so much corruption. is that worse today than it was three months ago? how difficult does it make life? how much does the average person have to pay off? ability to get things done, to get basic services, on the issue of human rights,

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